The Futurists
Join co-hosts Lloyd and Meghan as they deep dive into topical issues, curiosities, insights, and brainstorms as posed by futurist Sheridan Forge of The Foundry think tank. We explore the uncomfortable and provocative questions - the musings and conjectures of experts and sages (biologic and synthetic) - a lighthearted look at the fascinations of our world curated through the lens of A.I.
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Fiat currencies are failing fast. Blockchain finance is too complex for most people to understand and deploy in their everyday business. Crypto may be rendered unsecured by A.I. in the near future. Gold and physical assets or commodities are too cumbersome for use in real trade...so, if currency sinks, what comes next? Is there a backup system of value exchange and value storage that can be developed and introduced in time to keep the nation from plunging into darkness? Who would the ultimate innovator be that could feasibly invent the future of money? Where would the primary resistance to change come from?
Okay, picture this. It's a Tuesday morning. The sun's shining. Traffic is, you know, the usual nightmare. And you walk into your local coffee shop. It's the same routine you've done a thousand times. You order the oat milk latte, maybe a croissant. You pull out your phone to tap to pay,
right?
Declined. Okay. Weird glitch. So, you try your physical credit card. Chip read error. You fish out a $20 bill. Good oldfashioned cash. The ultimate backup. And the barista just looks at It shakes her head and says, "Sorry, we don't take that anymore. It's not worth anything."
That is a terrifying start to the morning. I mean, it's like that bad dream where you're trying to run, but your legs just won't move.
Exactly. But here's the thing. We are not talking about a banking glitch. We're not talking about a recession where that $20 bill buys you a little less than it did last year. We are talking about a total systemic stop. A scenario where the money in your pocket, the digits in your bank account, and even that crypto wallet you're so proud of simply ceased to function.
It sounds like the plot of a dystopian novel or maybe the opening scene of a post-apocalyptic movie. But what we're looking at today suggests this is a very real um near future design problem.
Right. Today we're doing a deep dive into some truly provocative excerpts from a text called the Forge Protocol, architecting post fiat exchange. It's written by the futurist Sheridan Forge. And let me tell you, Forge is not pulling any punches here. He isn't interested in comforting us.
No, he certainly isn't. And what stands out immediately about this material is the uh the urgency. Usually when we talk about economic shifts, we talk about cycles or adjustments.
Soft landing.
Soft landing. Exactly. Forge is talking about a cliff edge. He's talking about the end of an era and the frantic scramble to build the next one before the lights go out.
So the mission for this deep dive is pretty clear. We need to unpack Forge's central argument, which is essentially that our safety nets, all of them, are full of holes. We need to look at why he thinks fiat is dead. Why he thinks tech isn't the savior we think it is and ultimately answer the big question he poses. If currency sinks, what comes next?
And just a quick note to you, the listener before we really get into the weeds here. This might feel uncomfortable. We are so used to thinking of money as a constant like gravity or oxygen.
It's just there.
It's just there. And Forge is asking you to suspend that belief. He wants you to look at the architecture of value as if the building has already collapsed and we have to figure out how to rebuild it from scratch.
So, let's get right into the thick of it. The premise. Ford starts with a statement that feels incredibly bold, almost aggressive. He says, "Fiat currencies are failing fast."
Failing fast.
Not struggling, not inflating, failing fast.
It's the finality of that statement that really grabs you. You know, failing fast implies an active process of decay that's accelerating. It's a term you'd hear in engineering or systems theory. U cascade failure.
When he says fiat, just so we're all on the same page, we're talking about government issued money, dollars, euros, yen, the paper in your wallet.
Precisely. Money that's backed by government decree, not a physical commodity.
Yes.
Fiat literally means let it be done in Latin to value by command.
Right.
And when Forge says it's failing fast, he's pointing to a loss of structural integrity. He doesn't treat this as a possibility, is something to be debated. In the text, it's presented almost as a foregone conclusion. The foundation is cracking and the house is sliding down the hill. That's what's so unsettling. We usually hear a kind of say, "Oh, we're in a rough patch." Ford is saying, "No, the engine has fallen out of the car."
But here's where it gets really interesting for me.
Okay,
usually when people say fiat is dying, they immediately pivot to the savior. They say, "Don't worry, we have technology. We have the blockchain. We have Bitcoin."
Right? That is the standard narrative of the last decade.
Yeah.
It's the lifeboat theory. Fiat is the Titanic. Crypto is the lifeboat.
But Forge, he takes a sledgehammer to that idea, doesn't he? He basically looks at the lifeboat and says that thing has a hole in it too.
He absolutely dismantles it. And this is probably the most controversial part of his argument for a lot of modern investors. He identifies two massive fatal flaws with the blockchain is savior theory.
Let's break those down because this is crucial. The first one is something I think about every time I try to explain Bitcoin to my dad. Complexity.
Yes. Forge writes explicitly that blockchain finance is too complex for most people to understand and deploy in their everyday business. business.
Everyday business. That's the key phrase, isn't it?
It is the crucial test. A currency can't just be a store of value for techsavvy investors. It has to be a medium of exchange for everyone. Think about that barista scenario you opened with.
Yeah.
Can that barista, in a busy rush, easily explain and execute a transaction on a decentralized ledger with a customer who barely knows how to use email?
No chance. If I have to remember a 24word seed phrase just to buy a sandwich, or if I have to worry about sending my money to the wrong hex address and losing it forever, the system fails.
Exactly. Forge is arguing that the uh the usability friction is too high. If a system requires you to be a computer scientist to use it safely, it's not a currency.
It's a puzzle.
It's a puzzle. And you cannot run a global economy on a puzzle. The velocity of money, how fast it changes hands, would just plummet because everyone would be too terrified or too confused to spend it.
So barrier number one is it's just too hard for normal people. Fails the grandma test. But barrier number two, this is the one that actually gave me chills. It sounds like something out of a Terminator movie.
You're referring to the AI threat.
Yes. Forge writes, and I'm quoting here, "Crypto may be rendered unsecured by AI in the near future."
This is a massive statement. It challenges the fundamental value proposition of cryptocurrency.
Okay, help me unpack this because the whole point of crypto is that it's secure. It's encrypted. It's in the name. How can AI just render it unsecured?
Well, think about what encryption actually is. At its core, it's a mathematical problem. It's a puzzle that is so difficult to solve that it would take a normal computer millions of years to guess the answer.
Right.
That's why we feel safe. We rely on the math being too hard to crack.
It's a safe that takes a million years to drill through.
Exactly. But Forge is looking at the trajectory of artificial intelligence and computing power. He's suggesting that we're approaching a point where AI gets so smart and process power gets so fast that it can solve the math problem.
So, he's suggesting AI essentially turns that million-year drill time into what? Seconds
potentially. If an AI reaches a level of computational capability where it can break the cryptographic keys that secure the blockchain, then the immutable ledger becomes well mutable. It becomes hackable.
Oh wow.
Imagine a shared Google doc that anyone with a super smart AI can just edit.
And if it's hackable,
if you can edit the ledger,
then it's worthless. The entire value of cryptocurrency is trust in the code. We trust the code because no human can break it. But if an artificial intelligence can bypass the code, that trust evaporates instantly.
So it's no longer digital gold.
It's just compromised data.
That is terrifying. So you're sitting there holding your Bitcoin, thinking you're safe from the fiat collapse, thinking you have the ultimate insurance policy, and then suddenly an AI decides to pick the lock and poof, it's gone.
Or worse, the confidence in it is gone. So the value just hits zero. Yeah.
It challenges the very definition of safe haven. Forging is forcing us to ask, is it smart to store your life savings in a digital box if we're on the verge of inventing a universal digital key?
He calls it a false savior.
He does.
Okay. So, let's recap the scoreboard so far because this is getting bleak. Fiat failing fast, government mismanagement, loss of trust, crypto, too complicated for the masses, and potentially broken by AI. So, naturally, the listener is thinking what I'm thinking. Okay, fine. I'll go old school. I'll buy gold. I'll buy silver. I'll stock up on, I don't know, copper wire. and canned beans.
The hard asset retreat. It's the traditional survivalist move. When the digital world fails, retreat to the physical.
But Ford shuts that door, too. He says gold and physical assets or commodities are too cumbersome for use in real trade.
Cumbersome is the perfect word there. Again, we have to go back to the definition of money. It's not just about storing wealth.
It's about moving it.
It's about moving it.
I can't carry a gold bar to the grocery store.
No.
And even if you did, how do you make change. If you buy a loaf of bread with a gold coin, how does the baker give you change? Do they shave off a few flakes of gold?
Do you carry a little scale everywhere?
Exactly. It's incredibly inefficient. In a modern high-speed economy, you cannot rely on heavy physical objects for daily transactions. Okay.
It slows trade down to a crawl. Forge is saying that while gold might preserve your wealth, meaning you still have value, it freezes your ability to participate in an active economy. You become rich, but paralyzed.
This is Well, it's a problem. I mean, seriously,
he systematically eliminated the three main pillars. Government money is out.
Out.
Tech money is out.
Hard assets are out.
That is the void that Forge is describing. He strips away everything we currently rely on
to reveal a terrifying gap in our architecture.
And that leads us to the core question of the text. If currency sinks, what comes next?
That is the cliffhanger. We are standing at the edge of the fiat system, looking down And Forge is pointing out that there is no bridge to the other side.
He asks, "Is there a backup system of value exchange and value storage that can be developed and introduced in time?"
The phrase backup system is interesting to me. It implies redundancy. Usually engineering systems have backups. Planes have multiple engines. Data centers have massive diesel generators. But our global economic system, it really doesn't. It's a single point of failure.
If the main engine confidence in Fiat fails, we don't have a secondary engine ready to spin up. And the stakes he attaches to this are incredibly high. He talks about keeping the nation from plunging into darkness.
That metaphor of darkness is heavy, but I think it's accurate.
He's not just talking about a power outage, is he?
No. Darkness in this context likely refers to the sessation of social order. Think about it. If money stops working, if you can't buy food, fuel, or medicine because there's no accepted medium of exchange society on route,
the supply chain stop,
the trucks stop moving. Trade is the light that civilization running. Without a system of value exchange, the lights go out.
So, we need a new system. And based on what we've discussed, based on the flaws of the other systems, we can almost reverse engineer what this forge protocol or this backup system needs to look like. It's like a logic puzzle.
That's a great exercise. Let's look at the criteria he's implicitly setting up.
Okay. It can't be fiat because that relies on failing government trust,
right? So, it needs to be independent of the state.
It can't be traditional crypto because that's too hard to use and vulnerable to AI cracking.
Correct. So, it needs a user interface as simple as a credit card, but security that goes beyond current encryption
and it can't be physical gold because that's too heavy and slow.
So, you're looking for something that has the ease of use of a digital token.
But the scarcity and trust of gold
and a security model that is immune to AI attacks.
That sounds like a magic trick or a unicorn.
It sounds impossible. It sounds like asking for a vehicle that is as fast as a jet. at as strong as a tank but fits in your pocket. But that is exactly what Forge is challenging us to imagine.
A synthesis,
a synthesis of these conflicting needs. A system that's tangible enough to trust but digital enough to trade. Secure but simple.
And that brings us to the human element of this deep dive. Because systems don't just appear out of thin air. Someone has to build them.
Exactly. And Forge poses a very specific question here.
Who would the ultimate innovator be that could feasibly invent the future of money,
the ultimate innovator. It sounds like a superhero title, but why does he frame it that way? Why not just ask which government or which bank?
I think the use of the singular innovator suggests that this isn't something that can be designed by a committee,
right?
You know the old saying, a camel is a horse designed by a committee.
Yeah.
A new global value system is so complex, yet needs to be so simple to use that it implies a singular vision. It requires a specific type of genius to see the architecture that no one else sees,
right?
If you leave it to a committee of central bankers, they'll just build a digital version of the fiat system that's already failing.
It reminds me of the early days of the internet or even Bitcoin with Satoshi. It took an outsider to reimagine the system. You couldn't ask Western Union to invent email.
Precisely. If you're inside the current system, you are likely too invested in the status quo to destroy it and build something better. The ultimate innovator has to be someone who can look at the wreckage of fiat, crypto, and gold and see a fourth way.
But, and there is always a butt, whenever someone tries to change the world, someone else tries to stop them. Forge asks, "Where would the primary resistance to change come from?"
This is the conflict engine of the scenario. I mean, if we're talking about replacing the very blood of the economy, the resistance will be massive.
Who are we talking about here? Banks, governments,
we have to infer based on that failing fiat concept.
If a new system, this backup system comes online, it effectively renders the old system obsolete. So, the primary resistance will likely come from anyone who deres their power from the old system.
So, if I'm sitting on a mountain of failing fiat currency, or if I'm a regulator whose job depends on controlling the money supply, I'm not going to be happy about this ultimate innovator.
You would view them as a threat, a destabilizing force.
Even if their invention is the only thing that saves the nation from darkness, you might still fight it because it strips you of your specific power.
It's the classic innovators dilemma, but on a global scale. Saving the world might mean destroying the current power structures.
And that friction creates a very dangerous window of time.
Speaking of time, that's the final pressure point Forge presses on. He talks about introducing this system in time.
It's a race against the clock
because if fiat is failing fast and AI is evolving fast,
then the window to deploy a backup system is closing. You can't invent a parachute after you've already hit the ground. Forge is suggesting that this architecture needs to be built now before the crisis hits, not during it.
It's terrifying to think about. We're essentially driving a car at 100 miles an hour, the engine's on fire, and we're trying to build a new car next to us and jump into it before the first one explodes.
That is a very vivid and I think accurate analogy for what Forge is describing. And remember, while we're trying to build that new car, the resistance is trying to slash the tires.
So, let's just take a breath and zoom out. We've covered a lot of ground here.
We have. It's a lot to process.
We started with the premise that our current money is dying. We looked at why the supposed lifeboats, crypto and gold, might actually be sinking ships themselves.
We stared into the void of a world without trade where society unspools into darkness. And we looked at the race to find an innovator who can solve this impossible puzzle.
It really forces you to re-evaluate what you think you know about value.
It does. And I want to circle back to the listener for a second. Why does this matter to them? I mean, most of us aren't economists or futurists. We're just trying to pay our rent and save a little for retirement.
It matters because value is the underlying operating system of your life. You work for value. You save value. You trade value for food and shelter. If the definition of value changes or if the container for value breaks, everyone is affected.
That's not just a Wall Street problem.
No, it's a putting food on the table problem.
Yeah.
Forge's text is a wakeup call to Stop being passive about your financial reality. It's a prompt to ask yourself, "If the dollar stop working tomorrow, what do I actually have? What is my backup plan?"
It challenges you to separate the money from the wealth. Money is just the medium.
Exactly.
If the medium dissolves, do you still have the wealth?
Exactly. And are you prepared to adopt a new system, even if it feels alien at first?
Which brings us to the final thought. We always like to leave you with something to chew on, something that maybe wasn't explicitly in the text, but is lurking right underneath it.
For me, The lingering question is about trust.
Go on.
Forge talks about this ultimate innovator creating a system to save us from darkness. But remember what we said about complexity
that people rejected crypto because they didn't understand it.
Right? So here's the paradox. If an innovator creates a backup system sophisticated enough to survive the death of fiat and the threat of AI, it will likely be incredibly advanced. It might involve technology we haven't even seen yet.
So complex that we might not understand how it works. Exactly. So, if this savior system appears, but we don't understand the mechanics of it, do we trust it? Or does the primary resistance Forge talks about actually come from us?
Oh, wow. That puts a twist on it.
Are we the resistance? Would we be so afraid to let go of the failing fiat system because it's familiar, because we grew up with it, that we reject the very thing designed to save us.
That is a heavy thought. We might be the ones choosing the darkness. just because the light looks too new.
It's a very human reaction.
Yeah,
we often prefer a familiar hell to an unfamiliar heaven.
Well, on that cheerful note, seriously though, this has been a fascinating look at the Forge Protocol. It's scary, sure, but it's also a call to pay attention.
Absolutely. Awareness is the first step in preparation. The more you understand the architecture, the less likely you are to be crushed when it shifts.
Thank you so much for diving into this with us. To our listener, thanks for sticking with us through the end of the world and hopefully the beginning of the next one. Keep thinking, keep questioning, and we'll see you on the next deep dive.